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gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-19-1999 03:32 PM a while back i took a trip to Pheonix AZ. with the intention of tasting the local goods. and at first I was displeased.It was steped on more than side walk.It turned out that the mexican"mafia" took over the meth distribution trade and were ruining there product. I was forced to buy their crap until I met this guy from a town called Whitman.this town was some thing from another dimension. there was no such thing as time (no one owned clocks!) no one had any food. and every one had this one reciepe they learned from this biker. one puff of this shit and i knew what the "kind" was. well I talked that guy that broght me out there to show me his skills and he made a batch, and it was (once again) some of the best shit I ever had! well with a little convincing he showed me how to cook.WELL ANYWAY the method that i learned from the vally of the spun sounds alot different from any thing that I see posted, except the reaction is basicly the same.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-19-1999 04:14 PM this is what i learned you take the ephedrine and put it in a flatbottom flask add a little water and put it over LOW heat.add red phosphorus and swish around until mixed well. next take a braided hose and put one end in a 2 liter bottle full of cat litter. and take the other end and blow through it to make sure air can pass through. than add iodine crystals to the flask and seal hose to flask. put a cold wet towel around hose and wait till reaction is done (when bubling ceases) then break seal remove from heat and filter out RP with coffee filters. next take red devil lye and mix with water and add water to the miture you just filtered. it'll start bubbling and when it does that,top with naptha (ronsonal lighter fluid)when bubbling stops,syphon off naptha(top layer) into a clear plastic bottle(with a cap) and add two drops of muratic acid and a litmis strip. if the litmis paper turns pinkish purple(ph level 7) your done if not add more acid till it does. next add an equil amount of water to the naptha, cap bottle and shake well. syphon bottom layer into a glass pyrex pan and evaporate until thick(like syrup) then finish off with a blow dryer until dry. scrap pan and you got your product.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-19-1999 04:20 PM oh by the way you can repeat the water thing at the end and get more out of the naptha. this was the ratio i used E-28 RP-20 I2-42
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-19-1999 04:23 PM give me some opinions on this method.
painiac Junior Member	posted 09-19-1999 08:34 PM hey 6six6, how long did this take him? gotta look at the Method longer to determine what i think..jus printed it and filed it away.. keep it evil..painiac
newbee boy Member	posted 09-20-1999 03:50 AM Wow, revolutionary, I think if you use search engine or read back thru last year of posts you will see many methods same or similar! Sorry to sound negative. It was a big night! OK!! Sounds like corran horn synth! NB>out
Klean Member	posted 09-20-1999 05:55 AM Hey GakTrooper I am very interested in your method and would like to know some of the clear-cut directions that have been given to you. I'd like to hear more about it. Also about the time thing. I simply hate it. That was the thing I liked about meth was that there was no sense of time and it took me away from the every day worrys that mock us constantly like TIME. Klean
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-20-1999 05:25 PM what kind of details did you want?
Klean Member	posted 09-20-1999 06:42 PM everything from start to finish. Kinda like what methhead has done.
Peter North Member	posted 09-21-1999 11:40 AM Question: Would cat liter absorb the gas the odor or both? The gas would be the major concern because, for you beez who dont know dat gas can cause explosions.....Right? And the only kind of explosions we like are the ones that leave us feeling good : ) So if you dont know Now ya know. Also couldnt find nothing under corran horn, does it exist? ------------------ Get in where you fit in
Hematite Member	posted 09-21-1999 12:21 PM I try to make it a rule that anything I offer here, especially if it is to dissagree with another's post, must be tried and proven by myself so's I only offer a furthering of the info gathered. Here however I do not know for sure and do not wish to test it further, but I have to say that I have in past times had plumes of smoke fill entire rooms beyond belief from this and other variations of this method and never looked like being in danger of igniting it despite smokers,electric motors etc etc. Was I just lucky all the time ? ------------------ Regards,Hematite.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-21-1999 12:32 PM the litter obsorbs both
Klean Member	posted 09-22-1999 01:50 AM so theres no air hole in the kitty litter bottle? the gas and odor from the reaction just get sucked up? The only hole in the kitty litter bottle is where the hose fits? please excuse my ignorance.Thanx
Antidote Junior Member	posted 09-22-1999 07:32 AM You have not done this yourself, you just watched someone do it? One time?
Uncidote Junior Member	posted 09-22-1999 07:41 AM Now Anti behave your a dote you know and we dotes are not rude. How many times have you done this young man? I have a tough time getting a pH reading on naptha, any idea why or how to fix that?
Edwin Member	posted 09-22-1999 10:17 AM 666 Your method,seems interesting for small scale.Couple of question's please.When adding lye-water you say to add till bubbling.No p/h check? Next you say top with naptha then sipon off same, does one not need to agitate first let settle then sipon? The E-Man out---------
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-22-1999 04:28 PM first of all, I've seen it done about 8 times and the last 6 times were with some serious help on my part(the guy monitored me,gave me tips,and handed shit to me.)i've also completed the task 3 times solo(not including an assistant)with no problems. second,the 2 litter bottle is suposed to have the top chopped off(and that would give enough room to put the hose in and let air flow out.)and i've never had a problem with explosions(with or with out litter)thank god! is that shit seriosly flamable? third,as far as the naptha goes I always us litmus papers and shake well after adding acid and dont run into any problems. fourth,I try to use enough lye that it is ensured that it reaches 14.I dont think it matters how much as long as it's enough. when you add the lye water,pour the naptha almost imediatly after.the lye causes the mixture to bubble(the bubbling agitates for you)and the bubbling moves your honey into the naptha. and last of all,WTF is the corran horn?
Antidote Junior Member	posted 09-22-1999 06:23 PM You cannot take a pH reading on a non-polar or oil based solvent. It has no meaning. Polar solvents are ionic (have ions) like theycontain + and - charged particles. Acids and bases are ionic. Non Polar solvents are conglomerations of hydrocarbons and are very weekly polar, no dipole, hence no +,and - and no actual pH. Put all the litmus paper you want into naphtha you will never get a meaningful reading. If you tried to make meth and two drops of acid was enough to form the salts, that would be less than a gram.
Uncidote Junior Member	posted 09-22-1999 06:25 PM Antidote your embarrassing me. Tell us Mr gak... how much meth do you recover when you begin with 28 grams of Ephedrine?
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-24-1999 02:20 PM I apoligize. I accidently left out one of the key pieces to the PH problem with naptha.what your supposed to do is add a small amount of water before you ph for the litmus paper to sit in(so as you get a proper reading) and as for the two drop thing goes,it was just to ensure you dont over do it and have to start over again. I get about 2/3's back from the E.but I've never done the full 28g(hence the two drop thing)that was just the ratio i was taught.
Antidote Junior Member	posted 09-24-1999 03:20 PM Yes very interesting Mr Gak. I am apologising for my attitude and behaviour, you have some very intersting methods. I read where you like the red 30 mg pills. You know the thing lately is the wax problem, have you any hints or methods for the reds you would not mind posting. Unless it is already up and I missed it. Unci, would you Shut the fuck up
Uncidote Junior Member	posted 09-24-1999 03:29 PM Oh heck Anti, what is wrong with you. You'r supposed to be an ass pain royal. then you act friendly. When are you gonna keep me informed of your moods. This is making me ill. You know I won't sleep goood now. And it will bee alll your ........ <<SCHMACKL>> Owe Anti why did you hit me <<<SWHALLOP>><<SCRUNCH>> Gol dang Anti that hurt.... << KER BANG >> CaChink << KER BANG >> CaChink << KER BANG >> CaChink << KER BANG >> CaChink << KER BANG >> CaChink << KER BANG >> CaChink Click CaChink Click
methhead Member	posted 09-24-1999 04:54 PM ok people......This is the "TRUE" biker method...this is the method that everyone that I know of uses....the problem though, is the contents blowing out the hose, and then you have to add the water back down the hose, so yields are quite less than my method......but it is a viable, good method. The cat litter does soak up the smell somewhat, and if you're not careful, then it's advisable to have someone else help you with it..............
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-24-1999 06:28 PM i'm not sure about the wax thing.I think the best pulling method for ephedrine is the one that worlock has. it has the most washes that i've seen(acetone,methanol,then water)but the first thing that I always do is wash the candy coating off with water.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-24-1999 06:49 PM the thing about the hose is true.you should run water down it but only when your done. also it helps when you put the litter bottle up higher than the reaction flask so most of the shit that goes up,gravity will pull back down.
Antidote Junior Member	posted 09-25-1999 01:03 AM Right, at least 10% of the meth is in the hose. You see Mr. Gak, I have done the reaction you descibed several dozens of times Methhead has performed a similar reaction innumerable times, only with less water less RP and very little heat. Worlock has a variation that seems in between the two methods, and Wizard-x has a variation that seems good. It is to your advantage to keep the fumes under control and the push pull tank is effective as hell. and it preserves the iodine. what nis sweet about your set up is All you need is a chems, flask, funnel and a hose, Everything else is scroungable on the site. I know it actually comes out quite tasty, and the yeilds are there.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-26-1999 07:32 PM yeah,it kinda' the impravisational method I noticed something about warlocks method of PHing,he only brings it up to 12.does bringing it to 14 and catching it in naphtha cause any problems(like smaller yeild?)and is there any thing wrong with PHing the water and naphtha together?I haven't run into any problems yet,but it would be nice to know if there are any negative factors.
Worlock Member	posted 09-28-1999 04:44 AM If you don't add the oil solvent then the freebase has no where to go, to escape trauma from the lye. pH 14.0 pH 13.0 pH 12.0 Seems to depend upon the device or indicator your using
Worlock Member	posted 09-28-1999 07:36 AM As far as yield goes it seems the proper amount of heat during the initial stages of the reaction is the key. The inital yellow gas fumes , that will turn redish yellow are tied into it. You want to see a little of that yellow smoke ,I'm guessing it is an indication the reaction has begun. I'm guessing that it also indicates the destruction of E. That during the initial phase of the reaction you must keep it cool to get a good yield that means a pot of ice water and a hot water bath should be used. Mixing the ingredients then when seeing the yellow smoke, chill the reaction, use heat in the water bath to warm it up again. I can't be sure of these numbers cause I was just screwing around but I seem to recall that that 13.8 grams of E freebase just yielded 11.5 grams of meth? The weight of the E freebase was 13.8 and the yield is 11.5 gm which could be greeat or shitty. If it was 13.8 gm of E FB 13.8 / 166 = .08 moles E fb 11.5 / 186 = .06 moles Meth-Cl .6 /.8 x100% = 75% yield by mole 11.5/13.8 x100% = 83% by weight Pretty good if true Will be testing it out again soon
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-28-1999 12:32 PM so let me get this strait.once the reaction takes place(when you see yellow smoke)you should ramove from heat and chill in ice water,then move to the hot water to reheat? how do you know when tour done chilling(when the yellow smoke turns red?) are you supposed to return flask to the hot plate after hot water bath? whats the quality of the finished product? I hate to sound stupid,but here I am.
Worlock Member	posted 09-28-1999 03:12 PM My postulate(it is only a point to work from) Excess heat in the initial part of the reaction decreases yield by damaging the ephedrine. As the HI is being created from RP and I2 electrons are flying about free and fancy, the electrons are coming from somewhere. Supposedly from the oxidation of phosphorus. causing I2 to become reduced to 2I-. At a certain temperature, under the harsh conditions, ephedrine may become the source of electrons, being oxidized to supply electrons to I2. Burning ephedrine, but not the vaporization that occurs when left on the stove unattended. That vaporization is not actual burning of the E. The over-heated phase then only occurrs at the begining while the I2 is still present, and is sucking up electrons . Indicated by the production of the heavy fumes, beginning as yellow, and if hotter, redish yellow(due to E and I2 vapors also). It would be at this time(the heavy fumes are flowing), that the ice water bath would be used. Simple place the flask in ice water. Shaking it down will not do to much to the reaction temperature. But the ice will. In order to maintain a temperature that will allow the reaction to continue, you would have a pot of almost boiling water. the flask is then placed in the hot water. So that a control over the temperature of the reaction is exerted. The brakes are put only if the nasty fumes form. The less dense white fog is not a problem, as I believe it is simply an ionization cloud similar to that observed with HCl.
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-28-1999 05:12 PM so basicly what your saying is to only give enough heat to allow the reaction to take place. so there would be need for a hot plate after the initial warm up,(aside from heating the water)cause you would be using the hot and cold bathes to control the temperature. and there souldn't be any smoke(red or yellow?)cause that would signify that the ephedrine is burning(and not evaporating like honey in a pipe,but like when a rookie sucks his flame in a hub and feels the wrath of the gods.) are you sure there shouldn't be any red smoke?
gaktrooper666 Member	posted 09-28-1999 05:18 PM In the last post,on the third line SHOULD read ******************************************* so there would be no need.......... ******************************************* by the way what temperature is necessary to create a reaction between I2 and RP.
Worlock Member	posted 09-28-1999 09:58 PM At this point all I am commiting to is that: excessive amounts of the heavy fumes seems to coincide with poor yields. Examples: I had a flask fire, there was actually burning stuff inside the flask, afraid to add water, so just sealed the flask from air and continued with reaction yield = zero. Another instance began with 100 grams of E, heavy smoke in reaction yield = 19 grams. The following day began with 37 grams E, mild smoke yield = 20 grams In each situation the initial reaction that produced the fumes seemed to be the critical point. I would hypothecate that the hot plate then could be used to bring the temperature up much higher, only after the bulk of the I2, had been reduced, without effecting yield significantly. Methhead says 170 to 180 degrees F is the maximum temperature needed. Methhead makes a lot of shit.
newbee boy Member	posted 09-29-1999 06:49 AM This is what happened in the shaved monkeys experiment, Worlock. No violent reaction but most worrying was because they were expecting red/purple/green clouds and all they saw was a grey smoke cloud and thats it!! But from all I can tell there was no E in end product so all must be converted. They were very surprised when they ended up with product because the reaction was such an anti-climax but maybe you have just explained this, Worlock!! Never ceasing to amaze all! Worlock is a god!!! go-go god! NB>out

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